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Venomx View All Posts by This User

Level 14 Human Rogue
Realm: Uther
 1. Rogues: I'm on YOUR side. | 2/24/2006 5:17:03 AM PST
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I have been levelling my rogue for some time now, and already brothers I am aware of the numerous problems that plague our mode. Remember brothers, I am on your side.

When I first started playing, I used to be scared. I will admit it. The first time a mobster was near me, I stayed in stealth for a very long time. It didn't leave. It just circled around, like it could smell me. I waited and was ultimately rescued by, to my embarassment, a magic wielder.

Once I got a bit more bold, I converted that fear into rage. I was now a rage machine. I would /yell at the mobsters before I killed them. I killed many many many mobsters before sitting down and taking a break from all the death. But it is like my energy never goes down. On one of these breaks I noticed a magic wielder sitting down. I asked him, what are you doing friend? He said, I am waiting for my bars to come back. Health? No mana. Mana? Like your energy. At this point I went stealth, and he didn't see me anymore, so I could leave.

I did not say anything to him about it, and I know it is our secret, but this was a problem brothers. With a clear conscience I could not let myself go so simply through all these mobsters so simply, with my energy never running out. It is enough that I kill so fast. Whether it is because the makers of this game found us to be the favoured mode, or whether it is an error in creation, I did not wish to be on God mode for the rest of my career.

I write this to you after already sending in a petition to Blizzard, notifying him of the horrible oversight. If other modes were to come to know of our advantage, there would undoubtedly be riots in the game. That is why for my brother rogues' safety, I didn't tell anyone. But I cannot go on like this. I will not stop petitioning till we are on atleast a somewhat equal standing.

Do not hate me brothers. We are powerful already. Just remember when things change, I am still on YOUR side.
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Thefallen View All Posts by This User

Level 47 Human Rogue
Realm: Skywall
 2. Re: Rogues: I'm on YOUR side. | 2/24/2006 5:59:12 AM PST
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so you are not used to teh energy bar regenerating faster than a mages mana bar.

the energy bar is there to limit what we can do in a short amount of time. it ticks every few seconds, so we have to learn how to use the energy we have, and when to use certain abilities. its about timing.

we arnt "overpowered", you are just getting used to the class.
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Drio View All Posts by This User

Level 52 Night Elf Rogue
Realm: Dragonmaw
 3. Re: Rogues: I'm on YOUR side. | 2/24/2006 5:59:19 AM PST
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You're only level 14. Shut up.
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Cherub View All Posts by This User

Level 60 Undead Warlock
Guild: Pink Pony
Realm: Thunderlord
 4. Re: Rogues: I'm on YOUR side. | 2/24/2006 6:12:20 AM PST
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uhh nvm... didn't read the full post.. funny stuff.

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Hammered View All Posts by This User

Level 2 Dwarf Paladin
Realm: Maelstrom
 5. Re: Rogues: I'm on YOUR side. | 2/24/2006 6:16:18 AM PST
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This guy is a known troll.

He makes fun of you guys (the morons and idiots that actually make posts like Rogues are getting nerfed) by making you actually believe him.
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Kornax View All Posts by This User

Level 60 Undead Rogue
Guild: Artifice
Realm: Shadowsong
 6. Re: Rogues: I'm on YOUR side. | 2/24/2006 6:26:07 AM PST
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Is it physically painful being that stupid?

Honestly... A rogue has 100 energy, 110 with spec and our most basic attack (Sinister Strike)uses 45 of that energy. Almost half of the total energy pool in one attack. A rogue has to be in melee range to do damage and has less armor (after self buffs) than most caster classes in similar quality gear. Yes our energy refreshes in combat, but it's still a pool of 100-110 points. If I had a huge energy pool of 5k or so like my mage I would be more than happy to spam attacks then have to sit and drink afterwards. It's all about mechanics, but having only gone through 14 levels before coming up with your analysis on the class, I guess you wouldn't know that.
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Heretik View All Posts by This User

Level 60 Troll Rogue
Guild: Bunny Slayers
Realm: Sargeras
 7. Re: Rogues: I'm on YOUR side. | 2/24/2006 6:40:55 AM PST
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5/10

Wrote in coherant sentences and added a cute storyline. Certain people also took the bait fairly easily.

Still, much more could be done to make this interesting :)
Heretik, 60 Troll Rogue on Sargeras.
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Cyndane View All Posts by This User

Level 60 Night Elf Rogue
Guild: Swift
Realm: Shadow Moon
 8. Re: Rogues: I'm on YOUR side. | 2/24/2006 6:45:18 AM PST
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OP: I think you're on to something here!

8/10 for content and delivery
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Venomx View All Posts by This User

Level 14 Human Rogue
Realm: Uther
 9. Re: Rogues: I'm on YOUR side. | 2/24/2006 6:45:25 AM PST
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You would not think that I would make this post if I had not done my research, would you brother?

Let me get at you from the mathematical side of things.

WARNING THIS POST IS NOT FOR THOSE NOT CONFIDENT IN THEIR MATHEMATICS.

As a rogue, I have 100 on my energy bar. I kill things in approximately 2 or 3 hits. So, now we have three numbers, 100, 2, and 3. 2 and 3 are what we can call a 'range'. So let us put an alphabet 'x' to lie between 2 and 3. We can write this as -> x lies between 2 and 3, for a shortform. 100 is the upper limit.

Now between every x hits I am killing a mobster. Now let y be the number of mobsters I am attacking. You simply add the x range y number of times, for each digit in the x range, and then you can get something like, if supposing y was 2, you would get my killing to be like this -> x lies between 4 and 5. I got those numbers through the math.

Finally, we have to take the swing time. I am very fast, so we put me as the norm, being z. My swing time is z. I am faster than all the mobsters, so they will be hitting at 5 and then z, or 7 and then z. If I kill them in x and then z, and they take 5 to 7 and then z, how is it that I will ever lose?


EVERYONE WHO DIDN'T READ THE MATH READ NOW.

Ultimately, I will never run out of my energy, and I will be able to kill everything infront of me without ever dying. I don't think this is a way to participate in a game brothers, because although I am used to winning outside the game, I want a taste of hardship inside the game.
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Kelgann View All Posts by This User

Level 60 Dwarf Rogue
Guild: Prodigy
Realm: Whisperwind
 10. Re: Rogues: I'm on YOUR side. | 2/24/2006 6:45:56 AM PST
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Cyndane View All Posts by This User

Level 60 Night Elf Rogue
Guild: Swift
Realm: Shadow Moon
 11. Re: Rogues: I'm on YOUR side. | 2/24/2006 6:53:09 AM PST
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After reading his second post, I've decided to bump my rating to 9/10

1) He's responding to his post without flaming. this has the potential for a solid troll
2) I wasn't sold by "bothers" and "mobsters" in the first post, but it's growing on me.
3) He busted out math, and we all know that x, y, and z are never wrong!

I'm bookmarking this post for later :-)
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Faratim View All Posts by This User

Level 53 Human Rogue
Guild: Safe Haven
Realm: Uther
 12. Re: Rogues: I'm on YOUR side. | 2/24/2006 7:17:19 AM PST
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Decided to troll somewhere other than the Uther boards. Smart idea, they do not know you here.
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Kytrarewn View All Posts by This User

Level 60 Undead Rogue
Guild: Disrupted
Realm: Gilneas
 13. Re: Rogues: I'm on YOUR side. | 2/24/2006 7:22:09 AM PST
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Sir, what you fail to realize at this point is that Energy finds itself to be at a disadvantage in battle less than a minute long (Assuming frost mage, no talents, 6200 "effective" mana pool) but more than 4 seconds (Ambush, Backstab, Thistle Tea, CB Evisc) long, at higher levels.

Backstab: Average of 850 damage on a pretty !&$%ing decked out Rogue.

Frostbolt: Average of approximately 1000 damage with Curse of Elements on the mob in question full time.

In one minute, a mage with 6200 "effective" mana can fire off 24 frostbolts, each for 1000 damage or thereabouts, after resists. That's 24,000 damage in a span of a minute, or 400DPS.

A rogue can fire off 11 Backstabs in that time, each for 850 damage. That's 9350 damage, or 156 DPS.

This number of backstabs that can be fired off within the minute cannot be affected by gear (ie. Magic users can pick up gear with +Int, +Spirit, +Mana per 5 seconds to regen quite a bit of their mana allowing more frostbolts to be fired off.

The main thing that has to be considered, though, is white damage, which adds up on encounters.

Currently, I wield a 1.8 speed mainhand, and a 1.4 speed offhand (because that damned 1.6 speed offhand just won't !&$%ing drop).

My mainhand weapon hits for 8633 damage in the course of a minute (with a combo point required buff, called Slice and Dice, up)

My offhand hits for 5500 damage in the course of that minute (See disclaimer above)

This isn't taking armor into consideration, but since we weren't taking resistances into consideration either, this seems like a fair point.

So, my Damage Per Minute comes out to 23483. The Mage is still further up the charts, barely, at 24000 even.

However, the mage is out of mana now and has to drink for 20 seconds, whereas I can merely wait 10 seconds for my energy to regenerate completely.

Hence, on longer fights, our passively, in-combat regenerating energy, as well as the fact that we have very high "white damage", gradually add up to us outdamaging a mage. It's our greatest strength. But, given that, without getting five pieces of an end-game epic set (called Nightslayer), we cannot increase *our* mana pool with gear... while the mage's pool is constantly getting larger and larger, lowering his effective downtime.

In other words: Wait until you hit level 35 or 40, and compare your soloing performance with your friend then.
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Venomx View All Posts by This User

Level 14 Human Rogue
Realm: Uther
 14. Re: Rogues: I'm on YOUR side. | 2/24/2006 7:34:12 AM PST
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Kytrarewn, thank you brother I have considered the points that you have brought up, and now I will have to discredit them. Please know that I have already sent a completely detailed petition to Blizzard, and he will do the necessary. This is my closure with my rogue brothers, a place where you can know I am still one of you.

Now I will avoid mathematics, because I do not want to exclude any of my less math savvy brothers. However,you go on to say that a magic wielder can do a large amount of damage. That is fantastic. Brothers, I am not here to take away from others. I am here to take away from us!

Please allow me to break up your post with a simple example. Let us pretend there is a very big mobster, and he is chasing me, and let us pretend I am scared and I am running. Now let us pretend there is an equally big mobster chasing a magic wielder. He is obviously running. Now we both start running at the same time, and the mobsters are at an equal distance from us. We are running in a straight line, and we do not have the ability to move left or right, let us pretend. Now, my road goes on forever, and after around 300 yards, his road ends with a wall. He cannot jump over the wall.

Brother Kytrarewn, when I keep running, and the magic wielder hits the wall, he will be dead. I will keep running though. I will go on and on and on.

Even in the case of two mobsters, and we both managed to kill one each. Friend magic wielder will sit to regain his bar, but the mobster will not wait. I on the other hand will be ready for the next mobster.

I think this will settle things.
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Nobby View All Posts by This User

Level 60 Gnome Rogue
Guild: Divine Destruction
Realm: Lightning's Blade
 15. Re: Rogues: I'm on YOUR side. | 2/24/2006 7:37:55 AM PST
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So we are good chinese farmer? kk?
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Curiosity View All Posts by This User

Level 60 Night Elf Rogue
Guild: eXorcist
Realm: Bonechewer
 16. Re: Rogues: I'm on YOUR side. | 2/24/2006 9:03:14 AM PST
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Q u o t e:
You would not think that I would make this post if I had not done my research, would you brother?

Let me get at you from the mathematical side of things.

WARNING THIS POST IS NOT FOR THOSE NOT CONFIDENT IN THEIR MATHEMATICS.

As a rogue, I have 100 on my energy bar. I kill things in approximately 2 or 3 hits. So, now we have three numbers, 100, 2, and 3. 2 and 3 are what we can call a 'range'. So let us put an alphabet 'x' to lie between 2 and 3. We can write this as -> x lies between 2 and 3, for a shortform. 100 is the upper limit.

Now between every x hits I am killing a mobster. Now let y be the number of mobsters I am attacking. You simply add the x range y number of times, for each digit in the x range, and then you can get something like, if supposing y was 2, you would get my killing to be like this -> x lies between 4 and 5. I got those numbers through the math.

Finally, we have to take the swing time. I am very fast, so we put me as the norm, being z. My swing time is z. I am faster than all the mobsters, so they will be hitting at 5 and then z, or 7 and then z. If I kill them in x and then z, and they take 5 to 7 and then z, how is it that I will ever lose?


EVERYONE WHO DIDN'T READ THE MATH READ NOW.

Ultimately, I will never run out of my energy, and I will be able to kill everything infront of me without ever dying. I don't think this is a way to participate in a game brothers, because although I am used to winning outside the game, I want a taste of hardship inside the game.


Level to 60. You will know hardship man.
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Cherub View All Posts by This User

Level 60 Undead Warlock
Guild: Pink Pony
Realm: Thunderlord
 17. Re: Rogues: I'm on YOUR side. | 2/24/2006 9:16:53 AM PST
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Q u o t e:
You would not think that I would make this post if I had not done my research, would you brother?

Let me get at you from the mathematical side of things.

WARNING THIS POST IS NOT FOR THOSE NOT CONFIDENT IN THEIR MATHEMATICS.

As a rogue, I have 100 on my energy bar. I kill things in approximately 2 or 3 hits. So, now we have three numbers, 100, 2, and 3. 2 and 3 are what we can call a 'range'. So let us put an alphabet 'x' to lie between 2 and 3. We can write this as -> x lies between 2 and 3, for a shortform. 100 is the upper limit.

Now between every x hits I am killing a mobster. Now let y be the number of mobsters I am attacking. You simply add the x range y number of times, for each digit in the x range, and then you can get something like, if supposing y was 2, you would get my killing to be like this -> x lies between 4 and 5. I got those numbers through the math.

Finally, we have to take the swing time. I am very fast, so we put me as the norm, being z. My swing time is z. I am faster than all the mobsters, so they will be hitting at 5 and then z, or 7 and then z. If I kill them in x and then z, and they take 5 to 7 and then z, how is it that I will ever lose?


EVERYONE WHO DIDN'T READ THE MATH READ NOW.

Ultimately, I will never run out of my energy, and I will be able to kill everything infront of me without ever dying. I don't think this is a way to participate in a game brothers, because although I am used to winning outside the game, I want a taste of hardship inside the game.


ROFLMFAO!!!!
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Kdarkwater View All Posts by This User

Level 39 Orc Rogue
Guild: Vanquished
Realm: Hakkar
 18. Re: Rogues: I'm on YOUR side. | 2/24/2006 9:30:07 AM PST
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This sounds eerily familiar to the Kralnor posting in the warlock forums.

"Post a message in the room"

"LOOK IT OVER"

"Don't report anything, i might get in trouble :)"

"and 4. have fun!!!"
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Kurne View All Posts by This User

Level 60 Night Elf Rogue
Guild: ÆthÉr Rìft
Realm: Kil'Jaeden
 19. Re: Rogues: I'm on YOUR side. | 2/24/2006 9:43:27 AM PST
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Reserving a spot on the first page, this is going somewhere.

Btw, Ill give this one a 9/10. 2 for people believeing him, 2 for coherency, 2 for brothers/mobsters, and 3 for the math to back it up. Who could dispute that math of his.
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Enolf View All Posts by This User

Level 60 Night Elf Rogue
Guild: Valour
Realm: Darkspear
 20. Re: Rogues: I'm on YOUR side. | 2/24/2006 9:45:37 AM PST
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Q u o t e:
Kytrarewn, thank you brother I have considered the points that you have brought up, and now I will have to discredit them. Please know that I have already sent a completely detailed petition to Blizzard, and he will do the necessary. This is my closure with my rogue brothers, a place where you can know I am still one of you.

Now I will avoid mathematics, because I do not want to exclude any of my less math savvy brothers. However,you go on to say that a magic wielder can do a large amount of damage. That is fantastic. Brothers, I am not here to take away from others. I am here to take away from us!

Please allow me to break up your post with a simple example. Let us pretend there is a very big mobster, and he is chasing me, and let us pretend I am scared and I am running. Now let us pretend there is an equally big mobster chasing a magic wielder. He is obviously running. Now we both start running at the same time, and the mobsters are at an equal distance from us. We are running in a straight line, and we do not have the ability to move left or right, let us pretend. Now, my road goes on forever, and after around 300 yards, his road ends with a wall. He cannot jump over the wall.

Brother Kytrarewn, when I keep running, and the magic wielder hits the wall, he will be dead. I will keep running though. I will go on and on and on.

Even in the case of two mobsters, and we both managed to kill one each. Friend magic wielder will sit to regain his bar, but the mobster will not wait. I on the other hand will be ready for the next mobster.

I think this will settle things.


2/10 for the weak analogy and sidestep diversion while ending with a reinforcement Kyrts point.

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